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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with yet another episode of

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UFO news network Sunday and today a

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chant will not be with us unfortunately

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she has it upper body injury and that

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should be back on the lineup for our

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next show but unfortunately she won't be

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here today but we do have a guest today

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and I'm gonna bring him on shortly and

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of course after we wrap up you can see

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from the promos that we've got some

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additional news to talk to which is I

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think it's important to get to but

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rather than keep our special guest today

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waiting around we're going to get right

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to him and that is 3d artist Eric stit

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he's gonna be talking about his UFO

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experiences and his UFO art and we're

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gonna have to keep this going a while

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because we've got some samples of Eric's

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art that you can take a look at there

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you'll be able to go to his web site

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that we're gonna put the website address

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in the description and go check that out

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it he's doing some fabulous stuff so

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Erica thanks for joining us today how

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are you doing better fantastic so Eric a

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chant that kind of turned me on to you

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and your work and I have to admit it's

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fabulous you've taken the the 3d stuff a

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lot further than I was ever able to do

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but at least that we could have an

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intelligent conversation about the

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software and a little bit about the art

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so basically tell us a little bit about

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yourself how you got involved in the art

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and how you got over into the 3d well

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okay I was born a military brat my dad

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was in the Navy at the time when I was

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born in staging in Long Beach so

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California and so that's where I was

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born in 1966 in Long Beach California

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and he did a few years in that and then

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I got out and transferred over into the

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Air Force and and an Air Force Reserve

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and coupled with a career in the Caliph

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Department of Parks and Recreation and

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so with those two jobs he had you can

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imagine we moved around a lot and so I

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was always the new kid in school and

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bounced around all over but I'd say my

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formula ears and my most impressionable

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years were in the Mojave Desert my dad

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Edwards Air Force Base and I finished up

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my growing up and did it stint in the

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military myself and for all that I was

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doodling and drawing sometimes on my

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school desk sometimes in the textbooks

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and you know the the iconic peachy

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folder doodles all through high school

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and art classes in high school and so

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I've known that I've been a very

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creative person from a paired very young

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age and knew exactly who and what I was

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and been pretty much relentless with it

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oh yeah a lot of people are creative but

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not it not everybody who's creative that

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has some actual talent and we're getting

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into the examples of your work and did

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you have any training I mean you just

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kind of self-taught how did all this

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things my mom was a fine artist she

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passed away back in oh three at age 56

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from lupus but she was a renowned

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Southwest artist and appeared in many

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magazines covers of magazines and was

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the president of the San Bernardino

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County Fine Arts Association for several

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years and she kind of took my younger

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we were going to become art she would

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throw pencils and paints on the table

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and and set up still lifes and say throw

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we see and then critique it and give us

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pointers and this and that and it just

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really stuck with me I liked it I've

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never been very good at articulating my

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words with others because of some kind

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of birth issues I've had with my mental

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abilities but my my purest voice my most

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true voice has always been my art I

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could I could speak perfectly and

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clearly with pictures exactly what I

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want to say what I feel and I just kind

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of has always been the foundation for

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everything that I do and the gay medias

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never run out they're always there I

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never not have something to create and

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what led to the transition that from the

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was a fight I didn't want to make that

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transition when I when I was growing up

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illustration or a traditional artist

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like Drew Struzan I mean everybody knows

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who Drew Struzan as work is what is

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working they may not know the man but if

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you were in 70s 80s 90s movies fan he

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did the poster art for that and I

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down the road from where all of the

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magic he was creating the in Arrowhead

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of Hildebrandt Brothers and well

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visualizations for Star Wars he had the

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original Star Wars trilogy he did all

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that as his work is amazing

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and and so I was in my early teens and

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preteens when all of that was coming out

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and I I wanted involved to be involved

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in that in every way that I could think

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of and I was really pushing for that and

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life got in the way and it never

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happened that so from the time line left

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high school and after I got done with my

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own military everything that you're

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with the techniques that Drew Struzan

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does with using gesso illustration board

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transitioned into digital I started

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taught myself how to paint into the lead

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in Photoshop and then started picking up

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sculpting in this last year and the

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reason I got into it was well that

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that's the way things are now No very

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traditional illustration work anymore

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they want it they want it digitally

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scratch and make it an original plus you

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whole process of having a photograph and

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growing so fast now it just really helps

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otherwise it's just like if you don't

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so fast and all of these young kids

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concept art works they're incorporating

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they're they're doing everything and in

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putting it in and a very slick and

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polished and completed piece that it's

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immersed in it it's very immersive art

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year that's that that might frustrate as

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some people because yeah quite frankly

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spectrum I have Asperger's and so with

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uh from my own personal view I will

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fixate on it and I will absolutely just

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over and over again especially if I've

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what they say I don't stop the the

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whatever mediate is amusing me and then

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amusing until I make it look at the

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level of my end goal and then from there

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I start pushing it to go past that and

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make it my own so yeah I officially

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so not quite here oh man oh yeah you

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were you're something of a savant with

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that software it is pretty daunting it's

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a it's a complicated program I I do know

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current versions it's really been a few

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it but it is it it's still useful you'll

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see actually yes some of the some of the

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graphics for this show I've done some of

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those I've done in blender some over at

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simpler and less complicated than your

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stuff but it's a very useful program and

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how did you say there are a lot of 3d

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apps out there III think I should

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mention that blender is a freeware

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program so it doesn't cost anything

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there are quite a few programs out there

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that are pretty costly but that blender

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is freeware so it was at that part of

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the reasoning you decided to go with it

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or I mean it also does a lot too so

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let's talk about the decision to go with

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blender and how you came across it in

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the first place well first off I'm broke

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I'm sorry about that that's okay so the

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reason why I went with blender it would

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first yes affordability it's free and I

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I did my due diligence with it I did a

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lot of research I was comparing it with

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cinema4d

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right right yes max and a lot of those

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other programs they they each one have a

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particular strengths but it's not a

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strength that's so big that it like

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grossly outweighs the other programs so

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in them for the most part they have a

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pretty even playing field but programs

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like Autodesk Maya they require a very

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steep kind of a annual renewal like a

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membership fee and it's very ok if the

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same with Photoshop now you you can't

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get a just a flat Photoshop downloaded

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and there you go you have the program

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FLE free clear you have to have a

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membership with it that you pay monthly

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yeah because they're constantly

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upgrading it and doing this and that and

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I did I just don't do that I use an old

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hacked version of cs6 and I'm not

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limited by it because I'm not doing or

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wanting to do anything more than what

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the cs6 is providing right now you

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basically use it for drawing a painting

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or or finishing up or touching up a

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render that I've done on blender and

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that's about it and I'm able to do just

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fine with it I don't need any of the

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other stuff that's in Photoshop cc or

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anything like that and also no blender

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is very compatible now more than ever

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with maya which is basically the

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industry standard all the effects houses

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like Wetty

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iom and a couple others that i can

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rattle off are

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using those and you're seeing you're

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seeing Maya used and young the major

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modes of motion pictures however your

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start to see elements of blunder creep

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in there now because in you can do some

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very very cool things that are just is

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compatible with Maya basically with

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blender you can start and finish an

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entire project you do your concept art

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the storyboarding your animation your 3d

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model and get sculpting and then your

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animation and then you could take it and

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do sound design and embed it in your

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sound and basically edit together splice

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together an entire film in blender it'll

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do all of its got a video editor in it

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too it's extremely powerful are you

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doing any animations I was for a while

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and then the business with YouTube kind

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of put a scare at me because I was a

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smaller Channel and with all this copper

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stuff that's come out I didn't want to

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risk getting fined by the I guess it see

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if I think yeah something like that

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anyways I think there was language noise

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to the effect of that if you didn't mark

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your channel a certain way you know

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child friendly family friendly or

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whatever right right yeah and also if

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you marked it incorrectly or you know if

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you even if you marked your stuff as an

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adult station or an adult channel and

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they found it to be family-friendly they

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can still find you I was just like it

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was so sketchy so weird I shut down my

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channel so okay yeah I have to deal with

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the same thing - of course I haven't

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found it to be that difficult really as

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far as I as far as I know as far as I'm

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concerned what we do here is not for

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kids you know I mean we get into some

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fairly dense things we have scientists

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on it

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witnesses and so on so if it's not

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directly for kids but by the same token

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it's not something of let's say an adult

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we're sitting down and watching with a

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kid in the room they would have to be

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concerned about it you know it's just

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not designed for kids I think that's

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what they're talking about they're you

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know not one you know you've got adult

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material that might be sensitive and

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then you've got the the stuff that is

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designed for children and I think what

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they mean children they're talking

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generally preteens you know is this is

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it like Teletubby your Sesame Street

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type material as compared with is it

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going to be something that is going to

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raise an alarm if a kid is exposed to it

352
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yeah I don't think that I can't imagine

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anything you're doing unless you've got

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some art that I don't know about or

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anything that we're doing here is going

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to raise an alarm if a small kid is in

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the room but by the same token it's not

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designed for kids that's my

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understanding of it anyway well you know

360
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some of my artwork by some people's

361
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perception is very controversial okay I

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I guess I didn't find any of that so I

363
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wasn't aware that believe it or not the

364
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the alien ufology artwork is extremely

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controversial okay

366
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received a lot of hate email and

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personal messages across all social

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media now claiming my stuff to be evil

369
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or satanic er and just just ridiculously

370
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attacked when I post it that's why

371
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you'll see me cool off from it

372
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periodically I don't know yeah and then

373
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I come back at it and then sure as i do

374
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you know i get banned or it gets struck

375
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or i get i get the i get the hate

376
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messages but you know well yeah you'll

377
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:47,220
have to send me those pics because i

378
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guess I didn't see them like I said I

379
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don't see anything objectionable in

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anything I've seen of you or see in it

381
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that's the funny thing you're seeing it

382
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Frank you're already seeing it okay

383
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people are having problems with

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okay understood understood yeah I you

385
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know I get a lot of attacks from

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fundamental religious views it

387
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predominantly that I'm not going to

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specifically outline that religion but

389
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they're very clear about what religion

390
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they represent or what they what path

391
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are on and and how their perception from

392
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that path is looking at my my artwork my

393
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creativity and then some of it has been

394
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threatening Wow I was surprised to hear

395
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that but that you'd mentioned we talked

396
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a little bit before the show excuse me

397
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about what the initially led you to

398
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pursue this particular genre of art the

399
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space art and you had mentioned that

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that you did have some experiences and

401
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can you tell us a little bit about that

402
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sure well I'll address the space art

403
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first I have been lifelong astronomy

404
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buff I I started my Carl Sagan

405
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collection books back in the late 70s I

406
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think the first Carl Sagan book I got

407
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was broke his brain and I had murmurs of

408
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the earth and contact course cosmos my

409
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parents actually let me skip school on

410
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the days that cosmos Erik is so I

411
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wouldn't miss a single episode I was a

412
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huge Carl Sagan fan and I loved that he

413
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was able to take very complex at the

414
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time planetary physics concepts and put

415
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them into layman's terms you know very

416
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understandable language and for an 11

417
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through 13 year old boy at the time

418
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that's exactly what I needed and it

419
00:23:00,350 --> 00:22:56,130
fueled my imagination but cosmos did

420
00:23:02,899 --> 00:23:00,360
come out there was another concept

421
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:02,909
artist and illustrator that he used

422
00:23:07,940 --> 00:23:05,490
politically and I loved his art member

423
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:07,950
John Lambert and that begins to

424
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influence some of my own interest in

425
00:23:16,110 --> 00:23:12,040
space art at the time

426
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and and as far as the you followed the

427
00:23:22,140 --> 00:23:19,090
arc well there's another like lot I am a

428
00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:22,150
lifelong experience er I haven't had any

429
00:23:32,150 --> 00:23:25,720
recent experiences but there was a

430
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:32,160
series of them that definitely had me

431
00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:37,679
obsessed with trying to get stolen

432
00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:41,110
memories or stuff I I was not allowed to

433
00:23:46,110 --> 00:23:43,780
I don't know it's like a gate in my

434
00:23:49,530 --> 00:23:46,120
inside my head that won't let me go any

435
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:49,540
further and so I I go through these fits

436
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:51,970
where it feels like something more

437
00:23:59,039 --> 00:23:54,370
coming on as far as the memories of the

438
00:24:01,409 --> 00:23:59,049
experiences are concerned and I feel

439
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:01,419
like if I just you know repaint the

440
00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:04,870
redraw from the angles as I possibly can

441
00:24:12,659 --> 00:24:07,929
those events more will come and I will

442
00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:12,669
unlock that that that block that's in my

443
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:15,820
head and before anybody asks no I won't

444
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:19,410
do regressive hypnosis I don't trust it

445
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:25,650
it just I've got a couple of associates

446
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:30,460
in the field that I have warned me

447
00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:35,770
against it and so I stay away from the

448
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:40,150
and I just you know if I am meant to

449
00:24:46,650 --> 00:24:43,330
have the rest of those memories then

450
00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:46,660
it's meant to be I don't like to go with

451
00:24:49,770 --> 00:24:47,590
it

452
00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:49,780
understood yeah yeah actually yeah I

453
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:53,020
would tend to agree with that I've had

454
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:54,730
some discussions from different

455
00:24:58,740 --> 00:24:57,010
witnesses who've been on this show or

456
00:25:00,900 --> 00:24:58,750
privately and they've gone through that

457
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:00,910
process and I mean at best they were

458
00:25:06,659 --> 00:25:03,809
ambivalent they didn't express any

459
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:06,669
regret as far as doing it but they

460
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:07,990
didn't necessarily think it was all that

461
00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:11,679
beneficial either so I'm not a big fan

462
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:13,900
of the process knowing a little bit

463
00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:15,730
about hypnosis of course it's all about

464
00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:18,340
the power of suggestion and if you've

465
00:25:22,289 --> 00:25:20,230
got somebody who's saying especially if

466
00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:22,299
they're saying yes I'm an expert in

467
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:24,580
these kind of alien encounter

468
00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:28,450
regressions than what you're opening

469
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:29,980
yourself up to his being let a little

470
00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:32,340
bit I think maybe a little bit too much

471
00:25:40,649 --> 00:25:36,630
I have yet to and I've watched a lot of

472
00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:40,659
gnosis you know just to explore just

473
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:44,200
exactly that potential Avenue unlocking

474
00:25:54,509 --> 00:25:46,450
something and I have yet to see one just

475
00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:54,519
one where the hypnotist is 100%

476
00:26:00,330 --> 00:25:57,700
objective and non leaning in their lines

477
00:26:03,899 --> 00:26:00,340
of inquiry while the patient is under

478
00:26:09,019 --> 00:26:03,909
you have you have to be so exceedingly

479
00:26:12,899 --> 00:26:09,029
careful and so to be in your

480
00:26:17,899 --> 00:26:12,909
presentation of the questions that you

481
00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:17,909
can't possibly even begin to paint a

482
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presumption with picture inside the

483
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person who is on this head to feed off

484
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of to begin building a story of their

485
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own based on that question and it's just

486
00:26:34,049 --> 00:26:30,580
like it's almost impossible to be

487
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:34,059
objective would you suggest art as a

488
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:36,580
better way of exploring these type of

489
00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:38,950
experiences because I'm not sure in your

490
00:26:44,129 --> 00:26:42,460
timeline if which came first sort of a

491
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,139
the chicken or the yang did the

492
00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:46,240
experiences come first or you had

493
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:48,220
mentioned your mama being an inspiration

494
00:26:52,169 --> 00:26:50,289
for you regarding the art did that come

495
00:26:56,909 --> 00:26:52,179
first or was it the other way around or

496
00:27:01,649 --> 00:26:56,919
the experiences first I okay yeah my

497
00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:01,659
first memory is an experience okay I was

498
00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:05,980
still on a bassinet and I'll give you

499
00:27:12,029 --> 00:27:08,620
kind of a rough rundown of what an

500
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,039
experience of mine was like and my

501
00:27:19,860 --> 00:27:15,039
brother also experienced a lot of them

502
00:27:21,899 --> 00:27:19,870
with me as well as yeah in short I would

503
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:21,909
have thought I was entirely crazy had I

504
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:25,570
not had witnesses on several occasions

505
00:27:31,049 --> 00:27:28,260
to experience he sings with me so I

506
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:31,059
haven't written myself off his entirely

507
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:36,690
crazy so I think a typical experience

508
00:27:41,879 --> 00:27:38,500
would be

509
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:41,889
it starts off very paranormal and it's

510
00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:43,570
always in the middle of the night you

511
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:45,220
know somewhere between 1:30 in the

512
00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:50,470
morning 3 o'clock in the morning and it

513
00:27:56,190 --> 00:27:53,740
starts off with like but I can feel the

514
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:56,200
bed shaking you know and we always slept

515
00:28:00,690 --> 00:27:58,210
in bunk beds and a little tiny bedroom

516
00:28:02,669 --> 00:28:00,700
my brother and I and I could start off

517
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:02,679
always thinking that's my brother just

518
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:06,690
adjusting in his sleep and and then

519
00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:10,120
there would be inanimate objects around

520
00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:12,940
the room suddenly moving by themselves a

521
00:28:19,409 --> 00:28:16,990
book would fly off the shelf or the

522
00:28:21,629 --> 00:28:19,419
chair would fall over backwards there's

523
00:28:24,029 --> 00:28:21,639
nobody else in the room it's a tiny robe

524
00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:24,039
it's like a little 8 by 12 lived in a

525
00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:25,870
trailer and the trailer park inside a

526
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:30,700
park residence and then and then what I

527
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:33,190
would call the the chatter is the

528
00:28:40,019 --> 00:28:35,769
whispers they would start up these this

529
00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:40,029
kind of like almost guttural sounds or

530
00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:42,789
languages of like two or three entities

531
00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:45,190
having a discussion and I'm not included

532
00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:48,100
within earshot you know it kind of

533
00:28:55,259 --> 00:28:53,230
sounded like it'd be like two or three

534
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:55,269
of them like that and you can stand

535
00:28:59,610 --> 00:28:56,559
right in the middle of it that you can't

536
00:29:01,649 --> 00:28:59,620
quite pick out what is being said and

537
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:01,659
then so now you're interested in this

538
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:05,200
you get the weird objects moving around

539
00:29:12,269 --> 00:29:09,250
and then then the the disembodied voices

540
00:29:15,749 --> 00:29:12,279
and things like that and then before you

541
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:15,759
know you're terrified but your attention

542
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:17,529
is right there it's almost like it was a

543
00:29:26,369 --> 00:29:22,330
a calculated distraction to get you to

544
00:29:29,999 --> 00:29:26,379
pay attention to this while they arrived

545
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:30,009
because all of a sudden when it's all

546
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:32,289
too late and you're fully engulfed in

547
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:34,809
this and you can't wake up anybody else

548
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:37,720
in the house they're they're dead asleep

549
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:39,970
you could shake them mom and dad won't

550
00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:42,490
wake up my brother won't wake up I'm

551
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:44,980
nudging their shoulder I'm moving their

552
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:48,250
head and yelling they won't wake up it's

553
00:29:55,740 --> 00:29:52,000
just me and then while

554
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,750
all that's going on in an instant every

555
00:30:03,210 --> 00:29:57,760
way no in the house is flooded with this

556
00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:03,220
electric searing blue light and I'm out

557
00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:07,030
I'm God and only on a handful of

558
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:10,120
occasions have I actually seen faces

559
00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:15,960
bodies and I I don't ever remember being

560
00:30:22,590 --> 00:30:19,540
in a craft I would swear that I was

561
00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:22,600
underground or in a cave because that I

562
00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:27,240
had always smelled like wet rock musty

563
00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:31,870
just very dank and I you know I don't

564
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:35,080
recall ever seeing you know gleaming

565
00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:37,720
walls full of flashing tech and lights

566
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:40,600
or anything like that it was dark it was

567
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:43,210
me on a round what looked like a

568
00:30:50,790 --> 00:30:47,220
stainless steel table face down and then

569
00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:50,800
I'm unable to move and I just I see

570
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:54,340
those faces coming at me like they're

571
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,410
gliding not even walking you don't see

572
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:58,240
heads bobbing like they're walking I

573
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:01,480
just see them like gliding toward me and

574
00:31:06,390 --> 00:31:04,330
then that's it memories gone okay and

575
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:06,400
now the the faces that you saw are they

576
00:31:11,310 --> 00:31:08,200
yeah pretty similar to what we see in

577
00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:11,320
your art yeah I've done two versions

578
00:31:16,530 --> 00:31:13,780
I've done the nice version which you

579
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:16,540
which you see you know the more kind of

580
00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:19,710
cutesy almost adorable looking great but

581
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:24,400
the more menacing looking Gray's like

582
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:26,650
I've done in the pictures Trio and

583
00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:29,470
quintet oh and used that one

584
00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:33,790
prolifically that that's exactly what I

585
00:31:40,170 --> 00:31:37,240
remember those faces right I've got one

586
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,180
more question for you about this in

587
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:42,880
conversations I've had in the past I've

588
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,060
heard accounts where there's sort of a

589
00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:49,120
different levels of reality let's say on

590
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:51,340
a scale of one to ten let's say our

591
00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:54,820
normal everyday reality like what well

592
00:31:57,540 --> 00:31:55,990
at least what I'm going through right

593
00:31:59,940 --> 00:31:57,550
now is I'm sitting here talking to you

594
00:32:00,300 --> 00:31:59,950
and hopefully roughly the same on your

595
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:00,310
end

596
00:32:04,910 --> 00:32:02,890
maybe being like an eight but I've also

597
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:04,920
heard descriptions of a hyper

598
00:32:10,220 --> 00:32:06,930
Galilee somehow a little bit more real

599
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:10,230
than real so I like calling this reality

600
00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:12,570
that you and I are experiencing at this

601
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:15,320
moment and eight would you be able to

602
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,750
put on a scale of one to ten what kind

603
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:21,600
of experience or what level of reality

604
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:24,930
the dis experience take place if that

605
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:28,200
makes any sense to you yeah I put it at

606
00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:31,320
a twenty or okay okay and I'll tell you

607
00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:44,540
hyper-intense nature of the experience

608
00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:47,640
itself I mean everything about it is

609
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:52,760
something that is outside of the norm of

610
00:32:59,540 --> 00:32:57,290
our day-to-day threee existence

611
00:33:02,120 --> 00:32:59,550
everything that you're witnessing and

612
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:02,130
experiencing carrying defies all known

613
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:05,880
laws of physics and it's very confusing

614
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:09,750
it's very disorienting because the very

615
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:12,690
second just one element of these things

616
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:15,330
is happening your mind is automatically

617
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:17,850
trying to find a place within itself

618
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:20,100
that makes this makes sense and you

619
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:22,410
can't in and the next thing you know

620
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:25,410
you've got six seven maybe a dozen of

621
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:29,240
these elements that are nonsensical and

622
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:32,130
breaking these laws of physics happening

623
00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:34,230
all at once and you're you're just

624
00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:36,660
completely overwhelmed and bombarded and

625
00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:42,390
it just it's almost like you submit then

626
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:45,630
acquiesce that's a line of defense just

627
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:51,000
to not lose yourself entirely and but

628
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:57,240
yeah it is it is in your face it is it's

629
00:34:02,360 --> 00:33:58,860
almost like it's inside you and outside

630
00:34:06,910 --> 00:34:02,370
you simultaneously and you cannot for

631
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:09,440
okay anything else you want to add

632
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:12,150
before I start getting back into the 3d

633
00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:17,700
stuff yeah okay okay now I know it's

634
00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:18,880
common for

635
00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:22,860
people to have experiences to have this

636
00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:25,720
compulsion I guess might might be at

637
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:26,980
least one word there might be a better

638
00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:29,350
one but I'll call it compulsion and just

639
00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:31,000
for the sake of moving the conversation

640
00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:33,940
along but they feel compelled to sort of

641
00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:36,580
recreate artistically their experience

642
00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:39,820
and I was wondering if you've got any

643
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:41,320
thoughts I mean let's face it you know

644
00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:44,170
we live in a digital age the the digital

645
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:46,750
option is a one I mean yeah I suppose

646
00:34:51,930 --> 00:34:48,970
you could do it with you know a paint or

647
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:51,940
a pencil or crayon or whatever the case

648
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:54,310
may be on paper and take a photograph of

649
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:56,410
it and spread it around that way but do

650
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,810
you have any advice for folks who might

651
00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:00,880
feel compelled to sort of recreate or

652
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:03,400
illustrate their experiences and how to

653
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:10,330
get started with all that well yes first

654
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:16,570
off be mindful of the obsession in my

655
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:19,930
previous marriage I drove my first wife

656
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:24,700
absolutely crazy I spent the whole of

657
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:27,430
the 90s as seeing a lot of these

658
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:29,230
memories started showing up as

659
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:31,330
nightmares in the middle of night dreams

660
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:33,630
yeah I started remembering in my dreams

661
00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:38,020
because uh I I didn't have the memories

662
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:40,840
right after the incident and many many

663
00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:44,560
of the events some I did but many of

664
00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:48,430
them I didn't have the ability to

665
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:51,340
remember a portion of what had happened

666
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:55,570
until I was dreaming it like 25 26 years

667
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:00,640
old I filled three portfolios full of

668
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:03,550
pencil drawings and ink drawings of

669
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:07,150
these events that I would just draw over

670
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,770
and over and over like the gal in Close

671
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:16,720
Encounters of the Third Kind who kept

672
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:18,520
drawing and painting The Devil's Tower

673
00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:20,650
and hanging it all over her wall that

674
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:24,940
was me with these events and just then I

675
00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:27,070
would drive it just draw the same thing

676
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,980
over and over and over again and in some

677
00:36:38,839 --> 00:36:35,299
it's more subtle to you from the viewers

678
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:38,849
perception because it's 3d because I can

679
00:36:43,579 --> 00:36:41,880
I can rotate around the view and it's

680
00:36:48,019 --> 00:36:43,589
not you know I'm not stuck in a TV

681
00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:48,029
format so basically you still see that

682
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:51,990
the same the same scenario it's the same

683
00:36:56,779 --> 00:36:54,690
events over and over and over again only

684
00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,789
I might change the background I might

685
00:37:00,349 --> 00:36:58,440
change the lighting a little bit or I

686
00:37:02,839 --> 00:37:00,359
might look at it from the side instead

687
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:02,849
of directly face on this time but it's

688
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:06,839
the same thing over and over again still

689
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:10,740
trying to jog something to jar something

690
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:14,520
to open up that damn gate rock block

691
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:19,140
wall something and I I recommend though

692
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:23,220
if you're with somebody you they either

693
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:26,660
have to be extremely understanding and

694
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:29,460
and I'm saying this more for the family

695
00:37:35,809 --> 00:37:32,730
you not not from the artist or creative

696
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:35,819
view because I already know that you

697
00:37:44,769 --> 00:37:40,619
could be doing this and and you lose all

698
00:37:46,789 --> 00:37:44,779
sense of time you lose all sense of

699
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:46,799
spatial relationship in your

700
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:49,410
surroundings you can be at something for

701
00:37:54,289 --> 00:37:51,660
five hours involving this stupid

702
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:54,299
obsession and it feels like thirty

703
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:57,660
Seconds to you meanwhile your family

704
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:00,359
hasn't seen you then maybe you haven't

705
00:38:08,359 --> 00:38:05,670
showered or anything and they're they're

706
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:08,369
the ones that are paying not you you

707
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,480
you're just being silently crazy while

708
00:38:18,019 --> 00:38:15,119
they're witnessing all of this and

709
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:18,029
wanting a normal life and you're not

710
00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:23,160
giving it to them that that is I think

711
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:24,630
yeah you raised an excellent point

712
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:27,690
because I think that is and obviously

713
00:38:32,359 --> 00:38:29,220
I've got a lot of friends here who were

714
00:38:38,029 --> 00:38:32,369
into all this and it's not so much the

715
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:38,039
subject per se but the time then it that

716
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:41,730
it can chew up and that is the issue I

717
00:38:46,099 --> 00:38:45,599
think in terms of a lot of personal

718
00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:46,109
difficult

719
00:38:51,499 --> 00:38:49,230
as I've heard about that just it's just

720
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:51,509
you chewing up too much time and that

721
00:38:56,269 --> 00:38:53,700
taking away from other things that are

722
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:56,279
also very important obviously yeah it's

723
00:39:04,069 --> 00:38:58,650
not nice to do close friends and family

724
00:39:06,499 --> 00:39:04,079
at all yeah if if you allow yourself to

725
00:39:09,549 --> 00:39:06,509
fall down that freakin rabbit hole you

726
00:39:14,779 --> 00:39:09,559
don't walk through Alice's mirror and

727
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:14,789
that you don't care you're just lost in

728
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,049
it and you just I don't know you feel

729
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:22,140
like you feel like you're in the storm

730
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,049
instead of being smarten and taking the

731
00:39:29,779 --> 00:39:27,359
objective viewpoint above the storm so

732
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:29,789
that you can not only see the storm but

733
00:39:37,729 --> 00:39:34,079
all of those involved by its impact and

734
00:39:39,529 --> 00:39:37,739
you can't do that when you're so in the

735
00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:39,539
middle of the storm that you become the

736
00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:42,359
storm itself and that is not not good

737
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:45,059
like I said for your family close

738
00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:48,900
friends possibly even your job you just

739
00:39:54,019 --> 00:39:50,999
you don't stop talking about it you

740
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,029
don't you don't stop to eat think it's

741
00:39:58,789 --> 00:39:56,160
like an addict with cigarettes you know

742
00:40:01,489 --> 00:39:58,799
do all your friends that you make our

743
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:01,499
fellow smokers and why because you know

744
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:03,480
that you're gonna run out of cigarettes

745
00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:05,579
in that pack and they're gonna bum you

746
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:07,230
one when you're down on your luck II

747
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,170
need that let's figure it so everything

748
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:12,359
that you do and all the associations we

749
00:40:16,549 --> 00:40:14,130
make a revolver on the habit well this

750
00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:16,559
is very similar and you just have to be

751
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:19,230
mindful of that and don't let yourself

752
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:22,380
sink into it and thanks for reminding me

753
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:23,849
it's time for me to light up hang on a

754
00:40:30,859 --> 00:40:28,410
second Erik but getting back to getting

755
00:40:33,499 --> 00:40:30,869
started with all this if somebody's had

756
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:33,509
an experience or just deciding that that

757
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:35,579
hasn't maybe impacted them that deeply

758
00:40:40,759 --> 00:40:37,950
but they still had a sighting as far as

759
00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:40,769
getting started in attempting to

760
00:40:47,299 --> 00:40:44,369
recreate the experience any suggestions

761
00:40:48,979 --> 00:40:47,309
on that yeah there are several freeware

762
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:48,989
programs you know if you don't want to

763
00:40:59,269 --> 00:40:52,140
do it because arts expensive you can go

764
00:40:59,540 --> 00:40:59,279
to Michael's or Hobby Lobby and you'll

765
00:41:02,870 --> 00:40:59,550
do

766
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:02,880
cover right away at pencils paper all of

767
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:05,460
that is extremely expensive so I

768
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:09,170
recommend you know just like getting a

769
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:13,800
freeware paint program and use your

770
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:16,170
phone on a tablet you know your desktop

771
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:20,970
whatever and they start doodling a wink

772
00:41:29,090 --> 00:41:26,250
you know don't even try to get detailed

773
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:29,100
right off the bat you know try to try to

774
00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:34,890
more Express feeling with tone and shape

775
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,340
and lighting and eventually the

776
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:40,740
something will click and it'll feel

777
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:44,520
right and the details show up naturally

778
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:47,600
they're just and of course you know

779
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:50,250
practice he gets have it have it

780
00:41:57,070 --> 00:41:52,950
he gets personality personality he gets

781
00:42:01,970 --> 00:41:57,080
lifestyle and then destined so there's a

782
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:01,980
there's a course of actions that have to

783
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:04,740
be taken of with anything that you want

784
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:09,240
to get good at or be able to do well you

785
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:10,940
know the whole crawl before you run

786
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:15,180
aspect of things like that and here if

787
00:42:21,590 --> 00:42:19,680
you're wanting to seek you know like I

788
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:21,600
get you know I would do that obsessive

789
00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:24,810
period of wanting to keep more answers

790
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:26,430
that I know are locked up in there you

791
00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:29,010
could just feel them well I would I

792
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:30,870
would go about it that way I would get

793
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:34,830
it just a simple they're on a program on

794
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:38,610
both computers and tablets so show up

795
00:42:45,730 --> 00:42:42,630
with them pre-installed and just get to

796
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:45,740
doodle and he'll do it action it out and

797
00:42:51,980 --> 00:42:48,960
and I recommend don't look at anybody

798
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:51,990
else's case don't look at other picture

799
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:56,880
but you focus on doors you focus on what

800
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,000
you feel you focus on and I'm really

801
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,460
stressed the emotional aspect of it

802
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:04,740
because that's where the details are you

803
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:07,950
know when when you ask somebody to

804
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:12,600
describe something that's sweetness and

805
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:13,560
light and

806
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,810
to feel good that's not a lot of detail

807
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:18,480
there usually just to tell you it's very

808
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:22,380
bright and colorful and and it's more of

809
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:25,530
a feeling in that regard but you ask

810
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:28,260
that person to create something that is

811
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:30,930
fearful and every single time that's

812
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:33,180
when all of the the shirt and gooey

813
00:43:40,270 --> 00:43:37,920
fangs and nasty teeth and the mangy fur

814
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:40,280
extension yeah I mean you could smell it

815
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,770
that all that detail comes out in

816
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,200
fear-based imagery so it depends on

817
00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:47,520
their experience I'm not saying that

818
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:49,620
everybody had a bad experience mine were

819
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:53,370
traumatic I did not have the happy

820
00:43:59,540 --> 00:43:56,850
kumbaya you know going by my weight and

821
00:44:01,730 --> 00:43:59,550
jimbe sit around a campfire meaty

822
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:01,740
experiences I'm not even convinced that

823
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:04,440
they were eating I just know that they

824
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:10,560
look like me and I I just I don't know

825
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:14,400
I'm still stuck in I don't know yeah I

826
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,250
think it's important that you don't have

827
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:19,260
to a develop the talent that Eric's tent

828
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,050
has and just to provide an illustration

829
00:44:25,610 --> 00:44:24,420
that that helps people understand that

830
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:25,620
what you saw and what you went through

831
00:44:33,340 --> 00:44:28,610
that it's a it's a form of communication

832
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:33,350
the reason why that's important is is

833
00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:37,200
well because it is up until that point a

834
00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:39,870
memory and that's just kind of like this

835
00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:42,180
pithy aspect floating around in their

836
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:45,750
cranium their psyche and when they begin

837
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,800
to pencil it or paint it and it's

838
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:51,780
something they can hold in their hands

839
00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:53,700
now they can touch it they could see it

840
00:45:00,380 --> 00:44:56,820
and they could show it to others it in

841
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:00,390
that regard it is now real this is a

842
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:04,020
thing that is tangible and relatable

843
00:45:10,610 --> 00:45:06,630
whereas you're trying to convey it

844
00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:10,620
through words from your thought cloud to

845
00:45:15,590 --> 00:45:13,350
another me more often than not you just

846
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:15,600
come across crazy you may still come

847
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:18,270
across crazy you know when you've got it

848
00:45:24,259 --> 00:45:21,300
on a drawing or painting but at least

849
00:45:26,899 --> 00:45:24,269
they're crazy looks cool now

850
00:45:28,669 --> 00:45:26,909
and you know what you're saying that

851
00:45:30,379 --> 00:45:28,679
kind of reminds me of the old adage of

852
00:45:33,429 --> 00:45:30,389
picture's worth a thousand words

853
00:45:36,919 --> 00:45:33,439
exactly but that might be conservative

854
00:45:39,169 --> 00:45:36,929
very conservative because if you and in

855
00:45:42,409 --> 00:45:39,179
the more accurately you're portraying

856
00:45:45,409 --> 00:45:42,419
your memory the more accurately you're

857
00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:45,419
portraying your experience in in

858
00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:47,339
whatever medium you're choosing to

859
00:45:54,229 --> 00:45:50,549
portray again the more app that you're

860
00:45:58,339 --> 00:45:54,239
able to accurately have that same

861
00:46:02,269 --> 00:45:58,349
emotion and feeling in the viewer you're

862
00:46:05,419 --> 00:46:02,279
showing it to and now like you that

863
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:05,429
viewer is left with no choice how to

864
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:09,119
feel when they see the imagery you've

865
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:11,579
created whereas that's very hard to do

866
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:14,339
with words got it

867
00:46:17,779 --> 00:46:16,169
do you have anything else for the folks

868
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:17,789
listening in anything else you want to

869
00:46:28,759 --> 00:46:23,839
talk about if they like what I do and

870
00:46:34,089 --> 00:46:28,769
either want to experience you know some

871
00:46:37,489 --> 00:46:34,099
of my creativity themselves I've got my

872
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:37,499
Facebook page at facebook.com forward

873
00:46:45,169 --> 00:46:42,089
slash Eric stick and then I have my

874
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:45,179
portfolio page is a Eric stent art

875
00:46:52,279 --> 00:46:48,839
dotnet and then of course I have a

876
00:46:55,249 --> 00:46:52,289
patreon where I have I create hundreds

877
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,259
of wallpapers and you will find hundreds

878
00:47:01,429 --> 00:46:58,079
of wallpapers there in space and sci-fi

879
00:47:05,659 --> 00:47:01,439
art and you can get in for as low as a

880
00:47:07,489 --> 00:47:05,669
dollar a month and have access to all of

881
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:07,499
the throwing a dollar a month you can

882
00:47:10,279 --> 00:47:09,209
pay more and get some discounts on

883
00:47:12,529 --> 00:47:10,289
prints and whatnot

884
00:47:15,229 --> 00:47:12,539
now you do the prints okay okay how big

885
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:15,239
are the prints as big as one because I

886
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:17,249
have it I set up on print-on-demand site

887
00:47:22,729 --> 00:47:20,609
so you can you can go as small as a 11

888
00:47:26,899 --> 00:47:22,739
by 17 or a postcard or you can blow it

889
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:26,909
up to a 24 by 36 if you want there you

890
00:47:35,149 --> 00:47:29,849
go yeah and that's on that patreon.com

891
00:47:37,009 --> 00:47:35,159
forward slash Eric's did okay and what I

892
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:37,019
will do is I will make sure that those

893
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:37,530
Ling

894
00:47:43,580 --> 00:47:39,780
sar in the description for this

895
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:43,590
particular video well I definitely have

896
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:45,300
that and now hopefully send some

897
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:47,310
business your way Eric I should do

898
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:49,170
appreciate your taking time on a Sunday

899
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:52,020
to chat with us it was fantastic and

900
00:48:04,550 --> 00:47:54,060
obviously we'd be happy to have you back

901
00:48:06,350 --> 00:48:04,560
any old time you're a great guy yep you

902
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:06,360
sure she'll be but she'll be back

903
00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:08,460
she'll be back for sure okay well Eric

904
00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:11,150
thanks again you have a great day and

905
00:48:16,610 --> 00:48:14,190
I've got to be moving along here so uh

906
00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:16,620
thanks again it was a fantastic it was

907
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:19,020
great having you all right Frank thank

908
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:24,810
you sir see ya bye bye now bye bye okay

909
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:28,410
and that was Eric's tit talking about

910
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:32,940
his art and his experiences and let's go

911
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:36,510
now to discuss something that happened

912
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:39,240
Friday night there was a bit of a a

913
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:44,420
blow-up over on Twitter some UFO folks

914
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:48,240
who are following Diana pessoa

915
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:52,050
who is the author of American cosmic and

916
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:55,140
she's been a guest on the show let's see

917
00:48:58,460 --> 00:48:57,060
when was it it was it was about a year

918
00:49:00,080 --> 00:48:58,470
ago it was actually about a year ago

919
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:00,090
when she came on and we discussed in

920
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:03,540
depth her book American cosmic and of

921
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:06,090
course she's been involved quite a bit

922
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:09,090
with some of the the scientists who

923
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:12,450
either are either are or have been or

924
00:49:19,610 --> 00:49:17,090
perhaps a link removed from the tts a

925
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:19,620
organization that Tom DeLonge Zorgon

926
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:23,400
ization involved in the UFOs and the

927
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,040
obviously yeah there's a little bit of

928
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:29,040
doubt as to whether or not these tweets

929
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:31,800
came directly from her but now let's go

930
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:35,430
through them now and this is what came

931
00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:38,910
about and there's Diana at the Vatican

932
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:41,430
and there's Diana again and there was

933
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:44,370
the cover of her book and but let's say

934
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:46,380
I let's say I get through this really

935
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:51,240
quickly here and what she basically I

936
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:52,890
there's some controversy as to whether

937
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:55,740
or not these tweets came directly from

938
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:00,240
her or if she was hacked now well let's

939
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:04,800
see obviously a shot at Tom DeLonge here

940
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:07,050
I hired a person to read his books on

941
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,330
the topic I researched and wrote my own

942
00:50:14,780 --> 00:50:12,240
he is a Mason I'm a Jewish Irish

943
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:14,790
genocide survivor I have a lot to lose

944
00:50:20,620 --> 00:50:17,460
TTL does not I know all of a scientist

945
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:20,630
they are defecting and they should now

946
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:22,740
well let's so let's go through some of

947
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:25,410
the other tweets watch the effect what's

948
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:25,920
the issue

949
00:50:30,890 --> 00:50:28,110
scientists are generally stand-up types

950
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:30,900
of people T TSA is a PSYOP their

951
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:33,180
scientists are figuring this out and

952
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:36,750
leaving obviously the the SIOP word it's

953
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:39,980
a bit of a loaded expression but

954
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:43,710
basically let's let's put the word SIOP

955
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:47,369
aside it is in fact been pretty well

956
00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:52,070
known that the the t TSA approaches not

957
00:50:58,490 --> 00:50:56,070
universally embraced by some folks in

958
00:51:02,840 --> 00:50:58,500
the scientific community then she goes

959
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:02,850
on a little more basically my issue is

960
00:51:06,140 --> 00:51:04,770
they are using media technologies to

961
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:06,150
target children to believe their

962
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:09,090
narrative I have no idea TDL has kids

963
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:12,690
but this is so uncool and of course this

964
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:17,570
this gets into basically the the t/ta

965
00:51:25,769 --> 00:51:21,119
narrative which is of course and we've

966
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:28,959
resignation letter from the government

967
00:51:35,049 --> 00:51:32,599
that before he joined T TSA and in

968
00:51:38,409 --> 00:51:35,059
summation I think this pretty well I'm

969
00:51:41,019 --> 00:51:38,419
gonna pull this up here now and so I can

970
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:41,029
read it because obviously it's a little

971
00:51:47,169 --> 00:51:45,890
bit small on the print in the software

972
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:47,179
I'm looking at so I've got to pull it up

973
00:51:53,799 --> 00:51:51,369
separately let's see here yeah basically

974
00:51:56,409 --> 00:51:53,809
from the letter A despite overwhelming

975
00:51:59,019 --> 00:51:56,419
evidence at both the unclassified and

976
00:52:00,459 --> 00:51:59,029
classified levels certain individuals in

977
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:00,469
the Department of relay remains

978
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:03,169
staunchly opposed to further research on

979
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:05,089
what could be a tactical threat to our

980
00:52:10,809 --> 00:52:07,729
pilots sailors and soldiers and perhaps

981
00:52:14,259 --> 00:52:10,819
even an extensional existential threat

982
00:52:17,439 --> 00:52:14,269
to our national security so that is an

983
00:52:22,089 --> 00:52:17,449
issue with some folks they they don't

984
00:52:24,189 --> 00:52:22,099
like the threat angle basically I've

985
00:52:25,749 --> 00:52:24,199
been critical of it myself and it's been

986
00:52:29,049 --> 00:52:25,759
discussed here on the show on numerous

987
00:52:33,459 --> 00:52:29,059
occasions the basically the fear port

988
00:52:37,419 --> 00:52:33,469
angle that UFOs ETS are a threat and of

989
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:37,429
course that is obviously not shared in

990
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:41,209
every circle that is certainly not the

991
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:43,849
case and also the fact that they're

992
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:47,089
involved in craters with the military

993
00:52:53,409 --> 00:52:50,209
and that it's thought in some circles

994
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:53,419
that that in fact compromises them in

995
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:58,880
terms of what if you the elephant in the

996
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:02,079
room here is let's face it some UFOs are

997
00:53:07,809 --> 00:53:05,359
extraterrestrial and not everyone is on

998
00:53:12,819 --> 00:53:07,819
the same page as far as presenting them

999
00:53:15,279 --> 00:53:12,829
as a threat that a lot of folks view

1000
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,289
them as an opportunity there are some

1001
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:17,359
scientists who've been involved in that

1002
00:53:22,569 --> 00:53:20,329
T TSA who have had these experiences and

1003
00:53:25,269 --> 00:53:22,579
as a result of these experiences have

1004
00:53:28,419 --> 00:53:25,279
been able to bring home the bacon so to

1005
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:28,429
speak they've gotten ideas or generated

1006
00:53:34,329 --> 00:53:31,249
ideas that have led to positive

1007
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,339
breakthroughs for Humanity so that is

1008
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:36,599
the angle they're coming from and

1009
00:53:41,299 --> 00:53:39,089
it is a conflict behind the scenes

1010
00:53:44,989 --> 00:53:41,309
there's no question about that

1011
00:53:47,419 --> 00:53:44,999
and regardless of whether those tweets

1012
00:53:49,729 --> 00:53:47,429
came directly from dr. Priscilla or not

1013
00:53:51,799 --> 00:53:49,739
that is the case it has been the case

1014
00:53:54,709 --> 00:53:51,809
for some time that there is some

1015
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,719
conflict there behind the scenes as some

1016
00:54:01,429 --> 00:53:57,359
scientists simply don't like the TT sa

1017
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:01,439
approach they simply don't like the the

1018
00:54:05,419 --> 00:54:04,049
the threat angle the fear porn angle

1019
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:05,429
which we've been critical of here for

1020
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:07,650
some time and they don't like the fact

1021
00:54:14,809 --> 00:54:11,880
that TTS a is fairly openly trying to

1022
00:54:18,769 --> 00:54:14,819
climb aboard the the military-industrial

1023
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:18,779
complex contractor gravy train and that

1024
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:21,839
is an issue there are some people who

1025
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:24,569
don't want to touch this obviously with

1026
00:54:29,029 --> 00:54:26,609
the ten-foot Paul there are getting very

1027
00:54:31,459 --> 00:54:29,039
caught up in the the rather loaded word

1028
00:54:33,049 --> 00:54:31,469
SIOP and that there's no evidence of

1029
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:33,059
this there's no question about it this

1030
00:54:41,659 --> 00:54:37,369
this conflict is the case t TSA has had

1031
00:54:43,819 --> 00:54:41,669
at least a couple of defections people

1032
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:43,829
who are working with them in the past

1033
00:54:50,959 --> 00:54:47,369
are no longer working with them notably

1034
00:54:53,299 --> 00:54:50,969
Gary Nolan who left them towards I guess

1035
00:54:55,549 --> 00:54:53,309
maybe the the spring or early summer of

1036
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:55,559
last year and then more recently calm

1037
00:55:00,709 --> 00:54:58,799
Kelleher has left as well so this is

1038
00:55:03,709 --> 00:55:00,719
something that we should be mindful of

1039
00:55:05,449 --> 00:55:03,719
and it raises an important question that

1040
00:55:07,429 --> 00:55:05,459
that we really should be all debating

1041
00:55:10,279 --> 00:55:07,439
you know where we just heard from Eric

1042
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:10,289
who had a very negative experience which

1043
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:13,169
is maybe a little bit ironic that we had

1044
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:15,689
him on the show today but there are some

1045
00:55:20,539 --> 00:55:17,880
others the experiences aren't so

1046
00:55:22,999 --> 00:55:20,549
negative we've had ray Hernandez on

1047
00:55:26,029 --> 00:55:23,009
who's talked about his experience

1048
00:55:27,979 --> 00:55:26,039
apparently a positive one that the the

1049
00:55:30,859 --> 00:55:27,989
Freeh organization that did a survey

1050
00:55:33,579 --> 00:55:30,869
with thousands of respondents again the

1051
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:33,589
results neutral - very positive

1052
00:55:38,749 --> 00:55:36,089
overwhelming majority that was the

1053
00:55:41,419 --> 00:55:38,759
response there so this is something that

1054
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:41,429
should not be swept in the under the rug

1055
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:44,880
that should be shouldn't be passed over

1056
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:47,609
without some comment and further debate

1057
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:48,650
this

1058
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,910
something that we're going to have to

1059
00:55:53,769 --> 00:55:52,400
come to grips with and certainly there's

1060
00:55:55,150 --> 00:55:53,779
some people over on Twitter who don't

1061
00:55:58,539 --> 00:55:55,160
want to touch this with a ten-foot pole

1062
00:56:02,079 --> 00:55:58,549
who are setting themselves up as the

1063
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:02,089
knowledge centers for this and if

1064
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:04,250
they're stepping away from this frankly

1065
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:06,740
that is a gutless move to be perfectly

1066
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:08,750
honest about it this is something that

1067
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:10,970
you can't shy away from we've got to

1068
00:56:19,089 --> 00:56:14,680
discuss it my own feeling is that this

1069
00:56:22,660 --> 00:56:19,099
et UFO phenomenon provides us all with a

1070
00:56:24,849 --> 00:56:22,670
tremendous opportunity an advanced

1071
00:56:27,309 --> 00:56:24,859
extraterrestrial civilization visiting

1072
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:27,319
us that is extraordinary

1073
00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:31,250
and should not be viewed as a an

1074
00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:33,500
existential threat I think that's a

1075
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:36,470
ridiculous exaggeration there are of

1076
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,450
course plenty of plenty of accounts

1077
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:44,480
where the results aren't as positive but

1078
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:47,690
be that as it may we should still move

1079
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:50,569
forward and we should still be

1080
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,210
continuing to look at all this but it

1081
00:56:58,359 --> 00:56:55,760
should not be within the context that

1082
00:57:00,519 --> 00:56:58,369
this phenomenon is in any way shape or

1083
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:00,529
form an existential threat and because

1084
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:03,529
there is simply no evidence for that so

1085
00:57:09,130 --> 00:57:06,710
that is a very brief synopsis of what

1086
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:09,140
went on again the position here is

1087
00:57:15,250 --> 00:57:12,200
whether or not dr. Basilica did in fact

1088
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:15,260
issue those tweets I've good reason to

1089
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:18,490
believe that she was not hacked but

1090
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:21,170
regardless or whether she was hacked or

1091
00:57:26,620 --> 00:57:23,569
not the tweets that were sent on Friday

1092
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,630
night do indicate that there is this

1093
00:57:31,779 --> 00:57:29,839
debate going on privately and my key

1094
00:57:34,029 --> 00:57:31,789
point here is that yes that is a fact

1095
00:57:36,730 --> 00:57:34,039
there's no question about that this has

1096
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:36,740
been known for quite some time and this

1097
00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:40,010
also we should to be be debating this

1098
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:41,630
strongly no matter how strongly you

1099
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:42,650
support - yes

1100
00:57:48,819 --> 00:57:46,640
TTS a and I can't deny that this show

1101
00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:48,829
wouldn't exist that a lot of other

1102
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:50,900
things that have happened in the field

1103
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:53,270
and for the field have happened over the

1104
00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:56,329
last two years as a specific result of

1105
00:58:02,050 --> 00:57:59,690
what they're working towards but we can

1106
00:58:04,330 --> 00:58:02,060
also applaud that installed the

1107
00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:04,340
same time stand up and be critical of

1108
00:58:10,090 --> 00:58:07,160
this existential threat narrative that

1109
00:58:12,340 --> 00:58:10,100
is also a fact so that's that I'm gonna

1110
00:58:14,350 --> 00:58:12,350
wrap things up hopefully this debate

1111
00:58:15,550 --> 00:58:14,360
continues if it does we're going to be

1112
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:15,560
covering it we'll cover it in more

1113
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:16,190
detail

1114
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:18,170
we'll have that guests and chant will be

1115
00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:20,990
back to throw her two cents in and all

1116
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,180
that thanks again to Eric's tent for

1117
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:26,240
joining us and we will be back I mean I

1118
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,850
am going out on a limb in predicting

1119
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,280
that that February is going to be a big

1120
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:32,960
month for us all we'll have a lot to

1121
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:36,260
chew over so I get to get rested and be

1122
00:58:40,330 --> 00:58:38,510
ready to jump back in when we come back

1123
00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:40,340
and talk to you next week thanks a lot